Do you care if your cell phone tracks your location?
Hey no worries as long as you have your tin foil hat you're safe. Jeezuz people get over yourselves. The real "news" here is how paranoid people are. lol As if where you go really matters for anything other than location-based services.
These same paranoid people have no problem at all that their web browsing and activities are tracked by cookies.
Dean,
This is the same argument used by many people.
"If you are doing nothing wrong then you have nothing to hide."
It's my life. My information. If we stop 'caring' what happens to us because, 'we aren't doing anything wrong anyway', then we are all doomed because where does it stop?
If we start giving up our privacy here and their, pretty soon we are governed by Big Brother.
"INFORMATION"
I hate it when people argue like this. Sure Dean. Sure Apple and Google aren't exploiting this. That's why their stock is so ridiculously high. Because they don't do anything other than gather info.
This should be something that the user can opt into but should not be done automatically or be made mandatory. There are numerous applications that could make use of this information that users might find helpful, but to collect this data without the users consent is wrong. The next thing you know you will start getting pop up ads on your phone or computer for a business because you have come within a set distance of it. This is really where it looks like they want to take this. They want to sell the ability to have a businesses ads appear when a person gets close. It is the ultimate in targeted advertising. I think many people would find it useful to have an application that could show them the closest restaurants, ATMs, etc. based on their current location. However, even applications like this would not have any need to store the history of your travels, and certainly not for a years.
A major concern with this is the potential for law enforcement to access this data, particularly without a warrant. It could then be used as evidence in criminal prosecutions. Since the file storing the information is not encrypted and is transmitted regularly, there is also huge potential for this information to be intercepted and used for questionable or even illegal means. A criminal could intercept the file and use the location history to determine your routine in order to figure out the best time to rob your house, the best time and location to attack you, the best time and place to steal your car, etc.
It is dangerous. If stalkers or burglars get a hold of your data half their job is done. Turning you into the victim of a crime just got a whole lot easier.
Clarkprice is correct but, we have learned that the gubmint is a wholly owned subsidiary of the corporations. The odds are not good that you will get your privacy back. Why did the gubmint let them track you without disclosing they were doing it in the first place? Because the corporations lobby the regulators (more than politicians) and keep such rules from coming out. Polyticians did not say - track the people. Maybe Polyticians know, maybe they didn't. But FCC employees knew or should have known. Part of the licensing requirements should be discloure to the gubmint so they can rule on what is allowed. Like BP's deep water permit including statements of protecting the seals in the Gulf of Mexico, it's the gubmint employees that let this corporate junk happen. Polyticians wil go along with it until they get serious grief from voters. No grief and it's OK with them. The abscence ot poyticians rage now the truth is out is all you need to know. Won't Ghaddafi or Assad be happy when they can track their people's footprints ? Remember GOOGLE sold out the people in China over the issue of tracking internet use, and people disappeared over it. The sheep will get lead to slaughter.
@Dean
One of the fundamental rights guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution is the "right to privacy". Every American has that right, whether or not they choose to exercise it, and whether or not they have something to hide. Where I go during my day is no business of Google or Apple if I choose not to share that info with them. Collecting that information without my consent is a violation of that right.
Now, you have the right to share the information if you so choose, but you do not have the right to declare that other American must give up that right simply because you think that we are "paranoid". Beyond that, the information is not secure, it is not encrypted, and the information can be accessed by anyone who has access to your phone, or your phone backup if you don't encrypt that yourself.
Don't use a GPS or OnStar in your car, or use a credit card anywhere if you don't want anyone to know where you are or have been, either.
By the way, the GPS in the iPhone can be turned off. (Google "turn off GPS in iPhone.") Apple's iPhone seems to be getting the most heat about this, so I'm guessing competitors are in on this story in order to try and get iPhone sales, which are currently way ahead of everyone else, down.
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Stef1223 wrote:
It is dangerous. If stalkers or burglars get a hold of your data half their job is done. Turning you into the victim of a crime just got a whole lot easier.
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If a stalker or burglar has the brains to not only hack into your phone, but then be able to get the GPS information out of it, (which would be difficult, because the required permissions for that information wouldn't be available to them), they could do very well ($$$) with a job in the computer security industry.
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I kind of agree. Did people really think they weren't doing this. Do you think Ipass devices don't have records too ? If you want privacy, don't get a smart phone...they really are a want not a need. Plus when you down load apps don't you read the data it says they will be accessing.
I don't like it, but I sure don't worry about it. I keep GPS off so it can only get cell tower data which is not that accurate (just in case I find a million bucks on the sidewalk and decide to keep it)
I'm thinking of developing a new app called the HoeBack (Like LoJack) - Yes, now you can track your girlfriend where ever she goes via email alerts.
As for the argument that it could be a convenience to consumers, tell me why a consumer could not run an app that transmits the current location and get back a list of businesses and special offers in that area? There is no legitimate need to track and store this data for that purpose. This is definitely NOT meant as a convenience to the cellphone user. So what is it really for?
I hope they have been tracking me. I want my importance level to go up anyway..
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you. If the digicoms are going to sell our info, they should give us the phones and service free.
I suppose the real questions are:
Why did they feel the need to conceal this tracking function from Iphone/Android users?
Exactly what are they doing with this information?
If they are sending this tracking data to companies, what are the companies doing with it?
Are they saving this information for extended periods of time?
Is this data secure from unauthorized access?
Is there anything else (other functions, etc.) regarding these covert intrusions into people’s privacy they’re not telling us?
LOL @ thinking they were concealing it. How stupid do you have to be to not understand the sophistication level of these smart phones? You're so worried about what they're doing with the data, but did you even think twice about it when you were purchasing all your apps? Because you're told that your information will be accessed and used. You're so concerned about your privacy, but do you have a FB? Probably. Do you post status updates about your life, photos of you and your family, or use the Location thing? Do you play Farmville or any of the other stupid games on it? Those are other ways of obtaining information about you and your habits. Do you give your email, zip code, phone number, or address to cashiers when they check you out at the store? Because thats more information that is tracked, stored, and used for purposes unknown to you.
I want my Corporations to be like God...Omniscient....not.
It is creepy that they wouldn't let people know this is going on. However, in a world filled with people that freak out when Facebook or Twitter go down, this is the least of their problems. The fact that people would die or go into a tailspin depression if they couldn't tell everyone on the planet about every moment of every day, when they're going on vacation, how long they'll be gone, and just about all other personal data relating to their entire lives on Facebook and/or Twitter, they should be worrying more about what information they are putting out there and worry less about whether "Big Brother is watching".
Not only are they charging for the phones and service, they're collecting information to supposedly sell to businesses and collecting a fee for the that in the process. The gift that keeps on giving.
The senator mentioned in the article is right. That sort of privacy invasion could very well be illegal and if so, those responsible should be prosecuted. Who hasn't heard of the right to privacy and/or doesn't understand what that means? Apple, etc., have lawyers on their payroll, right? It's not as if they didn't know.
Instead of labeling people "paranoid" who express concern about this, maybe those who aren't concerned should be labeled "clueless" or possibly "egomaniacs" who are flattered by the attention.
The nazis and communist russia use to say if you aren't doing anything wrong than you don't have to worry. The people who lived through these times were constantly terified about doing anything. Imagine how many more people would have died during these times if they were able to track everybody. There is absolutely no need for the government or any business to know where we are at all times. I don,t like onstar either, you don't choose whether or not it is activated and able to be used, you choose and pay for the option of being able to use it yourself. I am not paronoid I just know what has happened through history, Good Luck Everyone.
leave your phone laying around for just a few minutes, I can crack your password (link). Once I have access I then forward the .db file that contains your GPS data to third party email server, I exploited in China and now own.
Keep in mind this file not only contains GPS way-points, it contains time and date stamps as well. With this data, I now know what time you go to work and what time you get home - even have the location of your job, and maybe even your boyfriend or girlfriends house. I think you can see that I now have a mapped-out time line of your habits and hot spots.
Now, imagine me being the disgruntle employee who was able to get access to the bosses phone for a few minutes. Imagine I'm the over jealous lover of your wife/husband and now see you as the threat. Do you need more examples?
Don't think this can't be used against you by someone with a criminal mind. Go ahead and leave your phone laying around for just a few minutes - hide and watch ... p0wned.
Wonder if people are on candid camera since these phones have cameras in them, who's to say if they are not capturing photos of you people ... LOL LOL LOL .... I would be more worried about that ......
We don't know, what we don't know and I'm sure there is some funny business going on; big brother is watching, but to what degree? Do we really know? I say NOPE!
I'd love to be able to tap into the habits of 'big brother', but I bet it would cause international panic!
It's best we're kept in the dark, I suppose. Not sure I want to be around when someone blows the lid off of Pandora's box!
nothere wrote:
Now, imagine me being the disgruntle employee who was able to get access to the bosses phone for a few minutes. Imagine I'm the over jealous lover of your wife/husband and now see you as the threat. Do you need more examples?
More examples of what? The fastest way to land in jail? No one can protect themselves 100% from certain criminal elements out there. But that's no reason to be overly-paranoid.
There are many other things equally worth worrying about, like getting hit by lightning, or by a stray baseball-sized asteroid that makes it through the atmosphere, and hits you square in the head. (Sorry if I inadvertently caused you to become even more paranoid, as that was not my intent.) ;)
Ostrich Effect.
Anyone that knows Computers knows Cellular "Smart Phones" as both have one thing in common, hackable Operating Systems. And this is regardless of Blackberry, Windows, or Apple Products.
As far as "Pushing the Button" to send the information to someone else, Baloney, ever heard of a Trojan Horse, or Remote Access Programs, etc. that will "Push the Button", regardless of if you want the Operating System to send or not.
Spirit "1984"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIzITqBcRnY
Got to love that GPS tracking Missile in the movie Syriana (2005), keep in mind that was technology 6 years ago. So if someone makes a mistake and selects the wrong Dr. Cat, Steve W.-747922, etc. becoming "Collateral Damage" in the Global War On Terror.
By the way that movie Eagle Eye (2008), has one flaw, why in the world would anyone use a slow moving mechanical eye ball on an arm (theatrical effect) versus something that is directly linked bunch of boring black columns and rows of black cabinets (reality, the NSA Tour).
This is all Legal with the President Obama January 21, 2009 Patriot Acts (Plural) that made Legal all those activities that were considered as Illegal under President Bush's Patriot Act. Electronic Monitoring and Censorship of All US Communications. Included in the President Obama January 21, 2009 Patriot Acts are those portions of the defeated (as Unconstitutional) Senate S.1959 and House of Representatives H.R.1955, both known as the George Orwell book 1984, "Though Crimes Laws", in that the thought (verbal or written) and not the actual Crime is also the Crime, example: "Anyone that states a radical change to (US) Government is a Homegrown Domestic Terrorist". The "Material Support to Terrorist Organizations" Section (US Department of State Terrorist Organizations Lists) of President Obama's Patriot Acts (Plural) also would make the Actions at Libya Illegal (Humanitarian Aid, Medical Supplies, Expert Advice, etc. as upheld 2010 by the US Supreme Court, "Material Support to Terrorist Organizations".). As,
The top NATO commander has said he's seen "flickers" of al-Qaida and Hezbollah among the rebels
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42358291/ns/world_news-mideastn_africa
In Asymmetric Warfare (Insurgency Warfare) it does not take very many "Insurgents" to start a Civil War. With Arabic Al Jazeera praising the Jihadists of Al Quada Saudi Arabia (AQ), Al Quada Islamic Maghreb (AQIM) Algeria, Al Quada Syria (AQS), Al Quada Yemen (AQY), etc. going to Libya prior to the Insurrection to assist the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG) to Overthrow Gaddaffi since he is a Collaborator to the Christians, Jews, Unbelievers (everyone else) in violation of the current Islamic Laws; this is also why the Arab League of Nations and Fundamentalist Islamic Iran demanded his Overthrow (they did this before to another "Middle East" President, except they went one further by issuing a Death Penalty Fatawa against the other President.). Gaddaffi is considered a Collaborator to the Christians, Jews, Unbelievers, due to his actions to get the previous Embargoes, Sanctions lifted so that he could sell Oil to the Europeans, by: 1. No Longer Pursuing WMDs., 2. No pursuit of Nuclear Power Plants., 3. Denouncing Terrorism, and he went one further (pissed off the Arab League of Nations and Fundamentalist Islamic Iran), he started to go after Al Quada Saudi Arabia (AQ), Al Quada Islamic Maghreb (AQIM) Algeria, Al Quada Syria (AQS), Al Quada Yemen (AQY),the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG), etc. at Libya long before the Insurrection, 2005.
How Kadafi Went From Foe to Ally
http://articles.latimes.com/2005/sep/04/world/fg-uslibya4
Got to wonder if that British Cruise Missile homed in on Gaddaffi's iPhone when it hit his Command and Control Center, he more than likely left his iPhone there when he went to take a piss.
There are many other things equally worth worrying about, like getting hit by lightning, or by a stray baseball-sized asteroid that makes it through the atmosphere, and hits you square in the head.
Yea because baseball-sized asteroids flying through the air are so common these days and the crime rate has dropped so much. You might want to do a search on statistics before trying to contrast your argument in such an asinine approach.
I work in a security related job, keep thinking it can't happen to you...
"nothere," tons of stuff falls onto Earth everyday. It's not uncommon. Anyway, I was being sarcastic, due to the levels of paranoia we're seeing in this thread.
As to your comment of working in a "security-related job," (which could mean anything), in over 40 years, nothing has happened to me, and pretty much everyone I know. Paranoia, again, brought on by excessive TV-watching, or the (bad) company one may choose to keep.
Paranoia, again, brought on by excessive TV-watching, or the (bad) company one may choose to keep.
Google DISA/IA, and then Google 'spear phishing' and 'whaling'... Sorry you aren't important enough for someone to mess with, but I deal with people on a daily basis who are.
"nothere," important enough? Usually it's everyday people who get "messed with." But from your inferred put-down, I can tell you're probably just a kid, especially since anyone who's been on the Internet for more than a few years, doesn't need to Google the terms you've mentioned. Spear phishing? Does anyone but a complete newbie fall for that? Come on.
I am so glad I never bought this phone. I NEVER want to be tracked. It is OUTRAGEOUS that this function was put on the phones in the first place.
As an afterthought to my previous post of 1.13, is it possible this covert tracking functionality may have been secretly mandated by some government agency?
I wouldn't be surprised.
NO History should be maintained in the device or transmitted to the provider...
End of problem..
In Thailand they are using the GPS locator function and tying it into a 911 emergy responder service. They do not have a 911 service on their current phone system... But EVERYONE has a cell phone...
It's OK fpor the phone to have current GPS location capability. SO 911 service , restaurant recommendations still work. Keeping a record of your whereabouts is an entire different matter. According to the article the journalists thinks keeping your travel history is part of giving you a restaurant guide. You don't need to know where I was last month to give me a restaurant recommendation tonight. IT was also reported that the companies do not download the info. So why have it ? I call BS on this reasoning and challenge reporters and editors to square up the facts. It's bogus so far. They just repeat what the public affairs dept of the manufacturer's spun to them.
I thought Microsoft was big brother, kinda looks like apple is. Who would have thought!!
#2 - Fri Apr 22, 2011 11:42 AM EDTThinbk of the evil exploits. Used to locate weathly for abductions, used by serial killer to find victims, used by terrorist to find targets (for sure) and park bomb near by, used by gov't to abuse our privacy rights, and the list goes on. It's not about tracking you to the pub or pizza joint but about people or organizations whose people use these phones being tracked and the possible consequences.
If the drug cartels can build submarines undected by radar you think they'd like to treack the judges, DEA and Federales?
#3 - Fri Apr 22, 2011 11:56 AM EDTI think "evil exploits" like the kind you're describing have been done successfully for centuries long before this type of technology became available. If someone really wants to cause you harm in some way, they'll do it the old-fashioned way, as it's much more efficient and requires no high-tech knowledge.
And as I said in a previous post, if you're really worried, THE GPS IN THE iPHONE CAN BE TURNED OFF. Google it.
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We are NOT talking about the GPS, we are talking about the tracking feature that is inside the Operating System that can enable the GPS features without your permission.
This can only be turned off by using third party (potentially harmful, non authorized by Apple) software ("Aps"), that will make some authorized Apple Aps not work properly and the iPhone itself act strange.
If that fails and you are so fearful of being tracked when going out, turn off your phone. No third-party software required.
To those Apple Users out there that love to defend stupid. This is how you remove the Apple Tracking Feature:
You must "Jailbreak" your Apple Product. Redsnow will also do the "Jailbreak".
Then using a third party App, like Redsnow, to disable the Apple Tracking Feature, the available Apps to do this WILL make your Apple Product not be able to use some of the Apple Authorized Apps, and WILL make your Apple Product act strange (goes off and on by itself), as these are modifications to the actual Operating System in the Apple Products.
AGAIN THE APPLE TRACKING FEATURE IS IN THE OPERATING SYSTEM, AND CAN TURN THE GPS FEATURE ON OR OFF WITHOUT YOU PUSHING ANY BUTTONS OR CHANGING SETTINGS.
Dr. Cat, talk about something that you know about, after getting your Apple A+ Technician Certifications (Plural).
add to post#2.4.
ISpy Conspiracy: Break Apple's Secret Tracking With This App
http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2011/04/ispy-conspiracy-break-apples-secret-tracking-with-this-app/
Realize that the Freeware Untrackerd App Author may have alterior motives for creating the Untrackerd App (Collection of Data).
AGAIN Dr. Cat, talk about something that you know about, after getting your Apple A+ Technician Certifications (Plural).
You sound just like all the uninformed Apple Product Users, claiming that Apple Products do not get Viruses, Spyware, Malware, Adware. Without comprehending that money grubbing Symantec (Norton) does not make products that do not have a Market (demand):
I don't even know why anyone bothers responding to Dr. Cat's inane babble. He already made his (lack of) knowledge on the topic known by trying to say the iPhone is still outselling every other smartphone and that it was only listed here as a smear campaign. Fact: The iPhone hasn't outsold Android since 2Q10. Last quarter, the iPhone marketshare grew by 0.2% while Android grew a full 7.0%. Dr. Cat should learn to visit comScore every quarter to track market share and market trends.
The reason it was included in this article is because the OS tracks you, just like Android does, and the only way to change that is to jailbreak or root and disable it with superuser/administrative/developer access. Simply turning off GPS doesn't stop the tracking.
This isn't right. If a company cannot produce a business model that lets them continue profit growth then they have no business in business.
You cannot exploit your customers and tell them it is for their own good.
#4 - Fri Apr 22, 2011 11:58 AM EDTIt's not considered exploitation. It's considered knowing your target market. And in the end it is for your benefit because they design the newer models based on the information collected. And you'll eat it up because you don't know any better.
I think it's more than the market they're targeting.
Paranoid in OKC! LOL
Since the creation of the world wide web our information has been used without consent. This does not surprise me at all. I do not like it but hey, I love technology. But for all who wept and wanted Assange's head, I really don't see a difference in what he did and what these companies and the government who took away our right to privacy did. We all live in glass houses just be careful of what you put out there.
#5 - Fri Apr 22, 2011 12:09 PM EDTOkay, so everyone will find out I am a boring couch potato but just for kicks, I could hook my GPS or cell phone to a stray cat or a turtle.
Got to have a sense of humor and you sure have that going for you Take that back! Made me giggle!
Thanks Bev. I have been told I am a "witty person." But who is going to know that, if they just track me on my GPS. If they really were interested in the real me, one would think they would develop "personality receiver." Or at the very least a pulse receiver. Of course, that would be the ruination of politicians. No one would want to vote for a mannequin, like Sarah Palin or blow Donald Trump doll! What a waste of electronics. Beep. Beep. Beep. Spy master, they do not compute. It is kind of like buying a expensive metal detector and finding beer can tabs. Not worth the money.
Just tracking my location wouldn't bother me. It's the fact that they hid this tracking, and just got caught. Now we have to wonder what else they are doing. Are they recording every thing we do? Are they keeping password and other private information. Can they, or a hacker, use the info to break into accounts? If they were up front about it, and offered an app so people can see where they have been, many would not mind, and probably think it was cool. It's the sneakiness of it all that is the problem.
#6 - Fri Apr 22, 2011 12:10 PM EDTGoogle didn't hide it. It's right there in a disclaimer when you enable Location settings on an android phone. It shows up during the initial setup prompts and again each time you view or change your location settings for wireless networks and GPS. As far as Apple goes, I don't know since I don't have an Iphone. No, they don't record everything you do. If you aren't cool with it, disable location settings, but be warned that if you call 911 you will need to actually know where you are and tell the operator (location used in this way started happening a long time ago). It is however unfortunate that the settings for reporting and enabling location services aren't seperate, but that's just how it is. All the data is supposed to be anonymous anyway.
All the data is supposed to be anonymous anyway.
But will we ever really know if it is?????
It is a device just like any other appliance or device. Should a car, home land-line phone, electric toothbrush, dishwasher, television, refrigerator or any other appliance have cameras or other data gathering software or mechanicism embedded so that they can collect valuable business/marketing data? Why not? Because it would be considered an invasion of privacy. So why should a cell phone(appliance/device) be any different.
#7 - Fri Apr 22, 2011 12:12 PM EDTIt's as if the phone manufacturers feel that they retain part-ownership of the device after you buy it, and they are free to use it for their own purposes without asking. imagine if a car dealer felt they could come and inspect your car whenever they felt like it, and even take it for a short test drive when you weren't using it, all in the cause of providing a more reliable product. The only reason phone companies get away with such a practice is because it can be done secretly due to the nature of the product.
In the middle.at the risk of being obvious, because the phone has tracking capabilities as it's intended purpose, and the your examples do not.
My question back is...why are you buying devices that are discretionary in purpose (you don't need a smart phone you know), and then complaining it is too smart ?? Are you mad at your car because it records all the metrics on how it is functioning ?
I turn off the GPS when I am not using it, and if I am going somewhere I want no one to know about...I can live for a while without a cell phone.
it doesn't surprise me that the world is full of apologists for invasion of privacy, you people have no lives to begin with
People are not data objects. This is the problem with technology. The crossover to humanity isn't thought about. Just how the data can be used to make money. Or, in the wrong hands, to control and/or manipulate people. This is my profession and I find this type of behavior despicable (to quote Daffy Duck).
This is the reason I will not buy an iPad, an iPhone, I stopped using Google as a search engine quite a while back. There are other search engines available (Bing is what I've been using - not that I'm a huge Microsoft fan either). Both these companies need to hire ethicists to run by their ideas before they implement them but both are so big that they think they can get away with anything. Did you know that Google automatically runs a program when you boot Windows to check for updates - did they tell anyone or give anyone the option to not do that? NO. It's my PC, my O/S, my home network and I'll decide what gets run and what doesn't, thank you very much. If you have a Google product (Chrome, Google Earth, Picasa, YouTube Uploader) installed on your desktop, it runs at every boot. What all does it do? Don't know - your guess is as good as mine!
#9 - Fri Apr 22, 2011 12:23 PM EDTI'm with you man, every single time I run a windows update, Live messenger lands in my startup programs. I don't use it, I don't want it, I wish it did not exist.
If you need to contact me, give a call dammit, on my land line, or my cellular dumbphone, if I am not actually BUSY while I am out getting BUSY, I may even answer the call during that time I have previously allocated to complete my task at hand. Otherwise I AM NOT AVAILABLE AT THE MOMENT. GET OVER IT.
Tracking and selling GPS data ? Big suprise. Try actually reading the license and disclosure agreements anytime software is installed or upgraded. This "new" Living Social service being offered is just the closest current technology can come to the retinal scanning billboards portrayed in the film "Minority Report". (one thumb up, one thumb down, glad I didn't pay door price for that one)
That's all I've got at the moment. The info tracked by all the electronics is totally out of control, and that Genie may never go back in the bottle. The flipside is, what happens when a solar flare or gamma ray burst burns every electronic circuit on the planet, and no one has any cash or record of ever having any cash.....
dude, this is america. we don't "read" in america. we just let our smart phones tell us what to do and then b*tch about it later.
When you do the Windows Update. Go to the Windows Update on your Start Up Menu. Select Custom NOT Express. Then select the updates you want. That is how you stop getting Windows Live in your Start Up Menu.
To those Apple Users out there that love to defend stupid. This is how you remove the Apple Tracking Feature: You must "Jailbreak" your Apple Product. Then using a third party App, to disable the Apple Tracking Feature, the available Apps to do this WILL make your Apple Product not be able to use some of the Apple Authorized Apps, and WILL make your Apple Product act strange (goes off and on by itself), as these are modifications to the actual Operating System in the Apple Products.
Ok so theoretically they have the right to use this information because it's somewhere in the long and lengthy agreement contract which most of us never read entirely. We agreed to it after all we wanted the full functionality of our devices. They put it in there but we agreed to it. Those sneaky B... I guess the only thing we can do is start at the core of the problem. That would be 1) to put these agreements/permissions and contracts in layman's terms and 2) all sections in the agreements/permissions and contracts must be checked off by the signee as read in the form of I agree/ do not agree. We will continue to have problems after this because people will check off without reading but then the responsibility of something like this happening would entirely fall upon us. Also not agreeing to the subdivisions of these agreements/permissions and contracts should not hamper with the functionality of out technology.
#10 - Fri Apr 22, 2011 12:31 PM EDTCould careless if some random company figures out where I'm at every waking moment of the day. Might actually help me in the long run because they might sell that information to a marketing firm which would then place food, gas, and retail locations near my normal traveling route. Besides I'm not trying to go any where illegal nor do I plan to do so. I go where i need to go when i need to go. People that have this phobia that "big brother is watching" hate to break it to ya but big brother has been watching since the 1950s when planes started taking aerial photographs and you don't even what to know how many satellites we got that can read the date of a dime form orbit. If someone wants to know where your at with out you knowing guess what its already happened. And they've prolly sold that information to some very questionable people. So I say who cares moving on.....
#11 - Fri Apr 22, 2011 12:39 PM EDTI love my I phone, I like the GPS, I like that it sorts my photos by where they were taken. I knew the "smart" phone did this the minute I looked at photos catagorized by St.Croix, USVI, Austin, TX, or Boston, MA. I don't care. I am not running drugs or robbing banks so my information is quiet boring. I think they look at the data to see what their clients needs are. I think it is actually pretty simple. I would be more worried about my credit and banking information on a computer. That is the scary stuff.
#12 - Fri Apr 22, 2011 12:51 PM EDTActually, it's not really anyones business where I'm at besides me. If I get lost, I'll ask directions. Data theft, being as much out of control as it is, is not secure on any ones servers I don't care what they promise.
#13 - Fri Apr 22, 2011 1:17 PM EDTHow can someone give you directions if they don't know where you are at ;)
How can you know you are lost if you don't know where you are ?
Thank google for google maps. They've only directed me into a lake one time, and I wanted to go for a swim anyway :-0
RockumSockum...
If you're calling someone for directions I would hope you know where you're at; corner of blah blah and blah blah.
A problem may come into play if the person you're looking to get directions from doesn't have a clue where you're at so they can get you to where you want to go!
Just a thought!
If you're asking for directions, you're giving up your privacy to a complete stranger anyway. Pull into a gas station for example...
"I'm trying to get to 134 Fake Street"
"Oh yeah, it's just 2 blocks down Santa Fe, and take a right on Bull@!$%# Blvd. It will be about 2 lights down on your left."
You speed off. Gas station attendant types "134 Fake Street" into his computer, since he's got nothing better to do. It comes up that it's an STD Clinic, or Alcohol Rehab Center, or Sleazy Motel, or your OB/GYN. Just by asking for that address, you've told a complete stranger you either have VD, you're a boozer, you're a prostitute, or, you're knocked up.
So what's the difference between basically telling Joe Blow on the street your life history and punching the address into your GPS or your smartphone where you're simply "user 14959BX", a lot more anonymous than the same Conoco attendant asking you next time you stop for gas "How's the VD?" or "Is it a boy or a girl?" or "How much do you charge, babe?"
If they are going to capture my data, and then use my data to make billions of dollars, shouldn't they provide the phones for free? Just another example of scumbag corporation(s) exploiting people for their own selfish gains.
#14 - Fri Apr 22, 2011 1:47 PM EDTI was actually just thinking the same thing.
And I am serious about this... Suddenly it seems that companies no longer need to hire people to figure out who their demographics are and how to advertise. Now they gather information from everybody's phone to do select marketing? It sounds like they are not only making a lot of money off of the consumers who use the phones but also saving A LOT of money by not having to hire as many people to figure out who their demographcis are.
And if not free then they should offer the serivce at a drastically reduced price.
And, no, I don't buy their phones. I think Steve Jobs has made some of the most overrated products in the past 10 years or so and I don't agree with his business model. I can't see a time when I would ever decide to buy one of their phones. They would have to rehaul how they do just about everything for me to decide to buy one. And that's not goign to happen anytime soon.
scumbag corporations are your neighbors and family. Weird how people only think a valueless people work for corporations....as opposed to the quality folks that comprise the rest of the world. Personally, based on 30 years exposure to all walks of life including corp managment...I would trust them more than the general public. At least they have heard of being held accountable...just look at your post, to me it shows someone who has little job responsibilty, and even less accountablity.
Gosh, take the Dem out of your name. Liberals are some of the least tolerant people I know...and it's not like team sports, the Dems versus the Reps...do you go to rallies (tailgate parties) wear buttons (facepainting) and cheer for your team (rather than appreciating the value of the "game")
Rant over :)
Gr8Dem...
If you are pi$$ed at them, then don't buy their stuff. How in the world can you call them names, when you were probably one of the first camping out in line waiting for the store to open so you could purchase one. Then at your first opportunity, you open up on them like a "good" little progressive/socialist is told to do. Speaking of scumbags and hypocrites, look in the mirror lately? Why don't you do like I do and give your phone to your wife (gf, it/him/whatever) so I therefore do not have a leash and any info they are acquiring is not on me anyway....
Get a life...
Just Saying....
#15 - Fri Apr 22, 2011 2:11 PM EDTPlease leave your left or right leaning comments at the door please. No room for personal agendas here.
NYNike...
Easy for you to say. Its like you are the pot calling the kettle black. BTW, when did you leave your leanings at the door? From your previous posts, you too are pretty hypocritical!
Just Saying...
Lordy, Lordy tea-party-fan...
If you're an example of the level of intelligence in your 'group', well I sure am glad I'm not a part of it! You sound like an angry individual. You have a choice; choose a better path.
Oh wait! I just remembered, Pallen supports this ridiculous party too! Good not to be alone in your small world.
Just saying!
I have a friend who's boyfriend started showing up everywhere she was...there was no communication between them...we found out later that he had access to her phone's gps setting and was stalking her. This could happen to others. And it could lead to someone being hurt...or worse, killed. If this information is going to be collected at least encrypt it.
#16 - Fri Apr 22, 2011 2:14 PM EDTcan't happen to me, I turn my GPS off, and the phone has not become an appendage of mine either (he would have showed up looking at my phone in a parked car, or left on my table at home)
How can you not understand that if you have an iphone, that the maps function has to be based on your location?
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